Culling does

I picked out several does that needed to be culled. It wasn't scientific -- I call it my "comparison" method of selection. First, I called up the goats near the gate then threw out some shelled corn. Then I walked around and looked at each goat, focusing exclusively on body condition score. 

At this time of year, all the does should have begun regaining any weight they lost during kidding and lactation as long as they had plenty to eat and were not ill or wormy. Kids have been weaned for more than a month so the mommas have had plenty of time to start gaining weight. If they have not started putting on weight, something is wrong and they probably won't be ready to breed any time soon.

So it easy easy to look at all the does at one time and see which ones stand out as being in poor condition. After a walk through the herd, I picked out four that scored 1 on body condition score, which means no body fat -- and in these cases, not much meat either. 

In all four cases, the does were over 5 years old and were anemic. And none were original Egypt Creek stock. Fortunately, I have a good many does over 5 years old that are still healthy and producing.

Gathering the does with a little shelled corn for inspection was easy.

Determining that this doe was in poor condition also was easy.

Deciding which goats to sell

Some of these doelings will have to be sold to pay the farm's bills.

It's always a delicate balancing act trying to decide which does to sell and which to keep as replacements. I started the process today. I've listed some that I have decided to sell on my "Goats for Sale" page. The link is at the top right of this page.

Blue Goose Farms

Vance & Nichol Treuil of Blue Goose Farms In Sarah, Miss.

Here is a great example of how goats are bringing the world closer together. To help cover some of my costs traveling to the International Boer Goat Association National Show in Louisville, Ky., this week, I posted on the The_Boer_Goat Yahoo! group that I would transport goats from the Memphis area where I live to the Louisville area for a small fee. (This is something others who travel to shows and sales might consider to help cover costs. If you are responsible and know what you are doing, there is always a demand for goat transport.)


The first call I got was from Jane Cremola of Kentucky who wanted two Angora kids transported from Sarah, Miss. At first I thought she was confused about the city, because I am from Sarah! She assured me that Sarah was the correct address and the farm was on Blue Goose Road. Well, Blue Goose Road (no one seems to know where the name came from) is about 4 miles from where I live. Out of the thousands of folks who look at the Boer chat group, what are the chances that someone would want a goat hauled from just down the road?


I visited Vance and Nichol Treuil's Blue Goose Farms Wednesday to pick up the two kids — a boy and a girl. It turns out that Vance had visited my farm many years ago when he was researching the goat business. Because Nichol spins yarn, they had settled on Angora goats and Shetland sheep. It was good to get reacquainted with them and tour their farm. In addition to fiber animals, they produce chickens and eggs. They have a very nice homestead. Below are some snapshots from their farm.


A quick note: In another case of "what a small world it is", When I dropped off the kids in Kentucky, Jane's partner was David Thompson, a USDA employee that I had met before and who was helping inspect goats as they came into the Expo Center for the IBGA Nationals.

The kids are loaded in the goat tote and ready to go.

Apple cider vinegar

I apologize for not posting more stuff lately. About two weeks ago a dark spot that looked like an eclipse starting moving across my right eye. I called my eye doc and was told to get there immediately ... it sounded like my retina was pulling loose. Sure enough it was; I was sent straight to the Hamilton Eye Institute at the UT Medical Center in Memphis for laser surgery. All went well but I had to really restrict my movement and activities for awhile until the repair 
could heal. Plus I have been pretty much blind in my right eye. Vision is returning, however, and I even wrestled a few goats the other day. I really appreciate my vision now having gone through cataract surgery on both eyes last winter and now this.


Below, I am reprinting an article that ran in the July Goat Rancher. For those that don't want to invest in a 60-gallon drum of apple cider vinegar, it's available at Kroger and health food stores. It's a lot more expensive that way but easy to get a sample. The brand name is Bragg's. 

Ron buys his apple cider vinegar in 60-gallon drums.

The vinegar is fed free-choice in rubber mineral feeders.

Apple Cider Vinegar Works - Somehow

By Ron Polette

  I have been using a hi-copper mineral mix for many years now from Wick’s

Livestock Nutrition, along with many other large goat ranchers around the Midwest, here on my large Kiko goat ranch in Missouri. I have always had

great luck with Mike Wichman’s mineral product. Feeding it free choice, and

mixed with salt, to my herds of goats and to my herd of Scottish Highland

cattle.

Many generations of goats and cattle have flourished here consuming

this mineral mix for many years and my herd of goats almost always look

great. So when Mike contacted me all excited about his latest nutritional

find, unpasteurized apple cider vinegar, made from whole apples, he

certainly got my attention. Apparently the health food stores around the

country have been selling this “juice” to humans for their consumption each

month by the tanker loads, touting the many health benefits to people, but

nobody, with maybe the exception of the Amish here and the Australians down

under, had really used this stuff on farm animals much.

So I decided to trust Mike again and try a barrel of the “juice”. Wow, that ended up being a smart decision.

Well, we got off to very slow start at first getting my Highland cattle

and especially my goats to drink the terrible smelling stuff, but once we

figured out how to train them to the cider they went right after it. The

cattle were the first to really catch on to the juice. We made the 50%

water/cider mix available for them in ground “bull” feeders and after a few

weeks they were visiting it and drinking a few ounces of it almost daily. I

would never have believed it until I witnessed them drinking it. They seem

to know that it is helping them somehow.

Then we noticed an amazing thing with our cows. After a month of regularly drinking this wonder juice, the cows barely had a fly on them. They were

almost completely fly free, and they looked great! How could this be? No

constant jumping and tail swishing from millions of flies. Then another

discovery. The cows manure had very small pieces of stems in it. They were

digesting their food much more completely than before the juice. I began

telling my friends that a chicken would starve to death following behind my

cows.

Then after finding that their consumption of food went down and their

body scores went up, I decided to really put this stuff to the test. What we

did this last winter was really something to see. We did not feed the cow

herd anything out of a bag. No grain, no cubes, just free choice minerals,

free choice vinegar, spring water, and round bales of grass hay. They made

it through an extremely harsh Missouri winter, without shelter, with minimal

pasture, and with new fall calves on six of them without a hitch. The cider

had improved their digestion efficiency and in effect supercharged their

digestion of the hay and what little grass they could find in their small

paddock. Their manure from the big bales of hay looked just like it did in

the Spring and Summer. Almost no stems over 1/4 inch. I was really impressed

now!

Mike explained to me what some other Ranchers and Farmers had been using the juice for. He has a couple of customers that raise chickens and they are

reporting much improved feed conversions, greatly improved egg production,

and improved meat tenderness, when the juice is added to their feed or

water. They won’t be without the cider anymore. He has a bunch of dairy cow

customers that report when they feed the juice in the cow’s feed ration they

save about 10% of their feed for the same amount of milk. I’m sure they don’t want to be without this cider anymore either. Also they say that bloat was

almost completely eliminated when they started feeding this vinegar.

Then there are the folks in Australia that drench 20 CCs of the vinegar

mixed with water to their wool sheep and claim it raises the quality of the

wool, which means more money in their pockets, and they claim to save enough

feed to more than pay for the vinegar and the other health benefits are a

bonus.

Then Spring progressed and goat kidding started up here full swing. Even

though we specialize in Kikos, there are always a few problems with the

crosses and other goats that we pick up here and there when purchasing herds

or groups of goats through the year.

We had our normal share of bottle baby makers that would soon become culls, and of course a few does with the dreaded mastitis that would also be culled. We had put these problem does in with some other nannies that had new kids with them next to one of our barns, so in case of extreme weather we could grab the kids and put them inside.

Since I had to supply water there, I started adding some vinegar to

their water and it gave me a chance to see how much the nanny goats liked

the stuff and how much was needed. I have two, 20 gallon water tanks, side by

side in that small barn paddock. One of the tanks I filled with clean water

only, and in the other tank I added two cups of vinegar. To my surprise they

drank the vinegar water first. Somehow they knew it was good for them. I

kept trying different amounts each time I filled their water supply and

ended up only using one cup to “treat” 20 gallons, but then I added vinegar to

all the water tanks when they got filled. No algae would grow in the tanks

either.

Later when we got ready to go to the sale barn to get rid of the

problem nannies and those with mastitis, we were shocked to find that those

does that had rock hard udders and could not feed their kids earlier had

almost completely recovered in just six weeks. Again we were impressed. This

was a huge find for us. Mike later explained that in the Dairy cow industry

they watch somatic cell counts, which are the numbers of white corpuscles,

and that after a month of consuming this vinegar, that these counts go down.

I am not about to pretend that I know what he is talking about, but I do

know what is working with my goats and my cows and I know the results that I

am having.

We had also noticed that the does raising new kids seemed to have

an exceptional amount of milk too. So after this discovery I was completely

impressed with this juice, and I thought it was time to have another talk

with Mike about this stuff and discuss more about what he had learned from

other producers that had purchased some from him. What we have found is that

the unpasteurized apple cider vinegar made from whole apples appears to have

MUCH better health benefits when compared to those vinegars made from

spoiled apple sauce products.

This vinegar has malic acid in it, which I’m told acts as a blood purifier, and is mostly acetic acid, that I’m told helps ruminants supercharge their digestion efficiency. Not to mention the other natural enzymes and trace minerals occurring in vinegar that probably also help with digestion.

Anemia is helped because the juice seems to help

ruminants utilize iron better. Perhaps because it has colloidal copper in it

and digestion efficiency is increased. In long-term studies on herds of

cows, many benefits have been observed, e.g., lack of mastitis, itchy skin,

influenza, respiratory diseases, easier freshening (whelping), lack of

eclampsia, and cramping after delivery of calves.

Well I’m not sure about all this, and I’m not pretending to be an expert in

nutrition, but I know what I witnessed and continue to witness. This juice

is doing wonders for my critters and helping me cut costs.

We recently had a serious bout with Dermatitis (we think) spread through

our goat herds. At first we thought it was mange because there were many

goats that were losing patches of hair, and little kids with bumps all over

their noses and ears. Scales that looked like severe dandruff were very

common. Some of the kids faces and ears where just terrible looking.

My guess was that it might have been caused by all the constant rain, every other day, week after week for months, here in Missouri. With a couple of

tornadoes and flash flooding all over that had made for the perfect

environment for both skin fungus and very wet feet, which could soon become

foot scald on many but the best of my Kikos.

So I decided that for what little it would cost, I would drench the infected animals with vinegar. I figured if it improved the skin and hair of sheep, it would sure not hurt to try it on what looked like bad dandruff in the goats.

WOW, two days later the entire herd’s skin problems were cured and almost completely cleared up. Now I was super impressed. I’m not sure if the juice changed the PH of the goats skin, or if the malic acid in the juice purified

the blood and that got rid of the fungus and/or infections. Whatever the

reason, it had worked great! I had only used a couple  two liter bottles of

this juice to treat all my goats and the cost was pitifully low. I’m buying

this stuff for around $5 per gallon. We used 20 CCs for adult goats, with

doses going all the way down to 1 CC for nursing kids. This is fantastic

stuff!  I really started to think that all the other goat ranchers out there

needed to hear about this wonderful juice, and asked Terry Hankins to spread

the word about it in his Goat Rancher.

Now Mike Wichman is telling me that he believes this vinegar, coupled with a mineral mix of copper, and iodine, in the right combination and amounts,

could have a huge impact on intestinal worms, and that I should not need to

deworm nearly as much as I normally would need to in my large commercial

herd.

Well, I’m from the Show Me State. But after all I have learned about this

juice and the cures and benefits that I have personally seen, added to the

fact that his minerals also work so well, I don’t think I would be surprised

any more, and I’m determined to find out if it works.

I have spoke to a few “experts”, both Vets and PHDs, about this vinegar and they tell me that there is no research to back up these claims, and no good

reason for it to work so well. Experts also stated years ago that the

hi-copper cattle mineral mix would kill my goats too. That did not happen

either.

Most of us commercial goat ranchers have figured out that most of

the products that work on or for goats are “off label” use. So I’m not

surprised, and I don’t really care much about research in this area because

research is rarely done on natural cures and preventions for goats, and

almost entirely funded by chemical, drug, or feed companies. They sure won’t

make a bunch of money selling vinegar, so I sure don’t think the research

will be done. 

As for me, I’m completely sold on this apple cider vinegar

for my goats and my cows. I want to save money on feed, medicines and

dewormers, and I have seen it work, despite the fact that nobody seems to

know why it works.

I told Mike Wichman, “I’m from Missouri, show me,” and with much improved animal health and efficiencies, the juice did!

I suppose I better make a disclaimer now about this story and make it clear to all that I am not a vet, a doctor, or an expert in animal nutrition, and I’m not suggesting that anybody do what I have done or use this vinegar the way I

have. If anybody wants to experiment like I have, they should do so at their

own risk. I’m simply explaining what happened when I used this stuff on my

farm, and what my opinion about it is. Happy Trails!

Ron Polette

Arcadia Valley Goats

Ironton, Mo. 63650

www.productiongoats.com

mrbuff@centurytel.net

Cell 314-808-7664

Michael Wichman

Wick’s Livestock Nutrition

208 East 5th Street

Atkinson, Ne 68713

Cell 402-340-3811

Update on weanlings

Kiko bucklings on the day they were weaned.

June has been a hectic month with the trip to Perry, Ga., for the Kiko Roundup, a short vacation trip to Fort Walton, Beach, Fla., then three days in West Monroe, La., for the Amercian Boer Goat Association National Show. 


I knew I was going to be busy most of the month; that's why I rounded up the goats and weaned the buck kids on May 27. I put them into a pasture full of grass, left instructions for them to be fed a half-pound of 16% goat feed each day. Some of these buck kids were only 10 weeks old, so I expected them to drop off some when they were pulled off their moms. I knew they would need some extra supplementation.


After the bucks were weaned, it was nearly two weeks before I had a chance to see them again. Of course they had lost that baby fat, but most were faring well in their new home. The shock came when I inspected the main herd of does. I had left the doe kids on their moms and expected them to be in much better shape than their male siblings. Surprisingly, the doelings were not in as good a shape as the bucklings.


I did spot checks for parasites or any signs of illness. Everyone seemed healthy, just on the thin side. The momma does were fat and slick, which was an odd contrast to the thin doe kids. 


Later that day while watching the local weather report, the announcer mentioned that we were on our 20th day of above-90 degree temperatures -- an average of 10-15 degrees above normal. With this fact, along with a lack of rain for more than 2 weeks, I concluded that the excess heat was putting stress on the doe herd and had caused a severe drop in milk production.


I went out in the pasture and watched the goats. I didn't observe any kids nursing, although they were busy grazing alongside mom. The Deep South's high temperatures, along with our high humidity, is notorious among cattle producers for reducing milk production. The same is true for goats.


The little bucklings, who were on better pasture and extra daily supplement, out-performed their sisters who were with the moms. An unusual occurrence but one that I think I have figured out.

Southeast Kiko Roundup Sale

The stands were full of buyers and observers.

The Southeast Kiko Goat Association held its Kiko Roundup seminars and sale this weekend at the Ga. National Fairgrounds in Perry, Ga. 


There were a good many vendors and farms displays set up. Producers from as far away as Oklahoma and Illinois brought approximately 85 goats to the sale, which was held on Saturday. The high seller was a 2-year-old Goatex Generator daughter out of MGR Lightin's Lady. She brought $2,000 and was purchased by Tom Keisau of Oklahoma. Keisau also purchased two other top-selling does: two Loverboy does that brought $1,500 and $1,600. All three does were consigned by Goat Hill Kikos.


The 85 goats brought a total of $43,675. Averages were:


100% NZ does - $642.22

Purebreds - $355.00

7/8s - $445.83

3/4s - $258.33

1/2s - $318.75

Bucks - $393.75

Grown bucks did not sell well and have not for quite a awhile. This is a trend that I first witnessed at the Cream of the Crop sale two years ago. We had several nice 4-year-old bucks that we could not even get a bid on. Buyers seem to want a young, "pretty" buck that they can raise up.


The only bad thing about the Roundup was the weather. It was 100 degrees every day. It was almost reminiscent of Sallisaw year before last when the temperature was 104 and folks were putting ice cubes in the goats' water buckets. There were big fans in the barn at Perry, which made it more bearable. Fortunately, the sale ring was air-conditioned.


Overall, it was a great weekend. There were individuals affiliated with IKGA, AKGA and NKR in attendance and there were goats registered with each registry in the sale. The Roundup was evidence that although there are some disagreements within the Kiko industry, breeders can come together for the benefit of the breed and have a good time. 


Special appreciation goes to Marilyn and Bob Seleska and all the other members of the Southeast Kiko Goat Association who worked many hours to put this event together.

There were a lot of lookers before the sale.

My grandson Rylan helped NKR registrar Karen Brown at the National Kiko Registry booth.

The sale was held in the air-conditioned auditorium.

Old friends and new: (from left) John Hancock and sons,

Brenda Moore, Jerry Hancock, Bill Moore and Neal McIntyre.

New Xcelerator buck

His father is an Xcelerator son and his mother is an Xcelerator granddaughter.

With all the CCR Xcelerator kids I have sold over the years, I found myself without Xcelerator genetics this year. My last Xcelerator son died last winter so I have been looking for a replacement. 

One of my repeat customers who has bought does from me several times and continues to lease bucks each year wanted a sire for spring breeding. He also said he had a good buck he wanted to find a home for.  We ended up making a deal. I traded a New Zealand yearling TAY Onyx grandson for the 4-year-old buck above, whose sire and dam are both ECR Kikos. We each retained the option of first refusal on the bucks if either of us get ready to sell them.


My new buck is a purebred so he will go over my commercial herd. 


By the way, Xcelerator is still alive, enjoying his retirement. He turned 11 in February. He has his own little pasture and gets about 3 pounds of senior equine feed a day, which just melts in his mouth.