Bucks delivered to Oklahoma forage test

After the incoming bucks were processed, they were put into a

holding pen before being moved into their grazing paddocks. 

Each buck was examined as it was unloaded. Each received 

a CD&T vaccination, deworming, fecal test

and FAMACHA score.

 

On June 21 I delivered six bucks to the Kerr Center in Poteau, Okla., for the 2012 Oklahoma forage test.  There were a total of 57 bucks from 14 breeders in seven states consigned. States represented include  Kansas, Oklahoma, Illinois, Missouri, Texas, Mississippi and Arkansas. Breeds included Boer, Kiko, Savanna and crosses.

The bucks will get a warm-up period until July 1 to get acclimated to the climate and the forage. The test period will be July 2-Sept. 19. The field day and awards ceremony will be Saturday, Sept. 22.

For more details on the test, visit http://kerrcenter.com/event_links/goat_buck_test.htm.

Kiko does that made an impact at ECR

Sunkist 113 in 2001 with her set of quads out of Goldmine II.

We talk a lot about our bucks but Egypt Creek Ranch has been fortunate enough to have some great foundation does. We started with Gloria's mother, Sunkist 113. She was a Moneymaker daughter and our first 100% New Zealand doe. The next New Zealand does we purchased were two Klondike daughters: JTV Queen and JTV Nina (Rusty's mom). We purchased these three does in 1999 and their genetics are still a big part of our breeding program today.

ECR Gloria and ECR Abigail (Sport Kat daughter)
(Both of these does are deceased)

JTV Queen, mother of ECR M4, Nicki and Hanky Panky. She's pictured here

pregnant at 8 years old. She died later after giving birth to twins.

Super Star Lineup (clockwise from far right): BBM Vicky T728,

ECR Hanky Panky, ECR Princess Nicki, BBM Vanna T718 and

BBM Nick's Gloria W952. Hanky Panky died from childbirth

complications in 2011, shortly after Maximus was born. 

When our friends Bill & Brenda Moore of BBM Kikos dispersed their herd several years ago, we brought our partnership does home to Mississippi. They include the BBM does listed here, plus Vanna's sister BBM Nicky, who had to be put down after a dog attack. This year Nick's Gloria (probably the youngest Nick x Gloria daughter alive) had twin does; Vicky had twin boys who are full brothers to our replacement buck Spartacus; and Vanna had a single doeling. 

Vanna (left) and Vicky. Both are Nick daughters. Vanna's mom is

TAY W26 and Vicky's mom is TAY W27. 

This year's crop of Nick granddaughters.

Egypt Creek bucks look good at recent photo shoot

I guess folks are starting to think about the fall breeding season already because I have gotten several calls about the bucks I have listed on my For Sale page on this blog. I've had Maximus and Saxon listed there for months with few calls, so I haven't bothered to update the photos. The ones I have there were taken last winter. Earlier this spring, no one looked too good with rough coats and thin bodies. I wasn't excited about taking any pictures then.

I had to confess to one caller Friday morning that I had not even seen my bucks in at least two weeks. I promised that I would try to get updated photos and post them. In the back of my mind I was hoping they were still alive — and healthy.

I was pleasantly surprised when I drove the mile down the blacktop road to their pasture and found them grazing and lounging near the road. I was even more surprised and impressed at how much weight they had put on in the last month. Everyone was slick and you could see the muscle tone as they walked by. These guys have had no supplementation since around February and no deworming in recent memory.

I also manage the Rittenhouse Kikos herd and have their bucks in with mine, so I have those bucks' photos posted here, too.

I managed to get good photos of everyone but "G" and "HP". They are definitely camera-shy. I took their photos anyway but I will try to do better next time. 

ECR Maximus — BHF's 3rd G Traveler x ECR Hanky Panky

SRK Iron Knight — BBM Hanky Panky's Y266 x GHK Iron Maiden
(Owned by Rittenhouse Kikos; Iron Maiden is an Ironhorse daughter)

BHF's 3rd G Traveler (We call him "G")

ECR Spartacus — "G" x BBM Vicky T728

Spartacus and Maximus — Their mothers are both Nick daughters.

ECR Ghost -- BHF Onyx's Shadow x ECR Abigail
(Abigail is Sports Kat x ECR Gloria)

ECR Saxon -- "G" x ECR Princess Nicki.
(Nicki is Nick x JTV Queen; she's a full sister to ECR Hanky Panky)

ECR Rusty's Rambo -- ECR Rusty x ECR Hanky Panky

BBM Hanky Panky's Y266 — TAY Onyx x ECR Hanky Panky
(Owned by Rittenhouse Kikos)

What to do with buckling crop -- Part 2

From my last post:


Let's assume the bucks that are destined for the slaughter house and not the breeding pen now average 45 pounds. I plan to market the bucks no earlier than November so they will be here another 6 months. If I let them forage all summer, if we get an occasional rain and if pasture nutrition remains moderate, I might see a .2 pound per day gain per head. Over the next 180 days the typical buck should gain 36 pounds for a total weight of 81 pounds — a good market weight. However, with some supplementation — .7 pounds a day of 16% feed — I might boost that to .3 pounds ADG for a total of 54 pounds of gain, or 99 pounds total weight, which may be too heavy and garner a discount from the slaughter buyers. I'll do some more ciphering and get back with you...


OK, here's what I came up with. I'm assuming a feed conversion rate of 6:1. In other words, it will take 6 pounds of feed to produce 1 pound of weight gain. Feeding .7 lbs. a day per head will require 126 pounds of feed per head over the next 180 days. At 23.7¢ per pound for Purina's Noble Goat 16% feed, that adds up to $29.86 per goat for feed. If all my predictions are accurate (HA!HA!) and the bucks gain an extra 18 pounds each, at $2.50 a pound at the sale barn, I will earn an extra $36 a head. $36 extra profit minus $29.86 extra feed cost = $6.14 per head extra profit. If I get discounted and the goats only bring $2.00, I'll be in the hole if you consider any kinds of labors costs.


Bottom line: Feed them a little to keep them coming around the catch pen. Otherwise, let them be goats and make it on pasture. Regardless of what they weigh and what they bring at sale time, if you have no inputs, you're still ahead of the game.


With the high price of replacement does these days, commercial as well as registered stock breeders can produce cash flow by selling quality doelings. Most years I make what I need to run the farm by selling replacement does. Whatever I get for the slaughter goats and cull/old nannies in the winter is just gravy and comes just in time to pay the winter feed bills.

Decision time nears on what to do with buckling crop

Part of the Kiko buckling crop.

By lining the goats up like this I can make side-by-side comparisons
of body width and length as well as overall size in comparison to their cohorts.

Nomination time is nearing for the two buck performance tests in which I plan to participate this year. Kerr Center in Oklahoma needs to know by June 15 which bucks I am sending there, with delivery on June 21; I'm not sure if Western Illinois University has a nomination deadline but they must be delivered to the campus farm on June 30.


The bucks are currently on medium quality pasture and are being lightly supplemented with approximately .5 lbs. of 16% medicated pellets per day. I have not done weights to calculate average daily gain with this group; I have used the unscientific method of eyeballing the bucks on a regular basis. As I have said for years, the biggest kids in the pasture are the best gainers, whether they were born triplets or singles. This eyeball analysis won't work when evaluating the mother's production performance, but it is a method that has worked for me when selecting bucks for test.


This year, however, I have multiple decisions I must make regarding the bucks. I have to decide who goes to the forage test in Oklahoma, who goes to the full-feed test in Illinois and who I will keep at home to sell this summer. Then there are the categories of culls and keepers — these are usually easy to pick. 


At least 50% of the buck crop goes into the cull category in the first 6 months. You can watch them in the pasture, view them as they stand beside others in their contemporary group and instantly see who is not performing as they should. (You can look at the photo of the bucks at the trough and easily pick out at least 3 culls.)


And what to do with those culls? Well, these days they're worth a lot of money as slaughter goats if grown out and finished with a little extra feed. I and others have discussed this at length, and if meat goats are bringing $2.00-$2.50 a pound, a producer can afford to supplement. I tried putting a pencil to it this morning to see how much supplementation and for how long would be feasible. The big unknown factor is pasture quality. Winter grasses are drying up and summer grasses are medium quality at best since I refuse to fertilize (spending money on feed versus fertilizer is a tough call). For now I choose to spend on feed. But calculating anticipated average daily gain (with and without supplementation) for the next 6 months is — as Dr. Frank Pinkerton says — a wild ass guess.


Let's assume the bucks that are destined for the slaughter house and not the breeding pen now average 45 pounds. I plan to market the bucks no earlier than November so they will be here another 6 months. If I let them forage all summer, if we get an occasional rain and if pasture nutrition remains moderate, I might see a .2 pound per day gain per head. Over the next 180 days the typical buck should gain 36 pounds for a total weight of 81 pounds — a good market weight. 


However, with some supplementation — .7 pounds a day of 16% feed — I might boost that to .3 pounds ADG for a total of 54 pounds of gain, or 99 pounds total weight, which may be too heavy and garner a discount from the slaughter buyers. I'll do some more ciphering and get back with you...